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Shadowhaze · Jun 08, 2009, 06:51 PM // 18:51

I find it pretty ridiculous. Interesting how killing animals in games is not ok, but killing people is. Stupidity.

Taixen · Jun 08, 2009, 06:53 PM // 18:53

China say jump, people tend to say how high.

Killing a virtual panda is too bad for China, suprised that the Sunspear's were allowed to rally against Varesh.

Spiritz · Jun 08, 2009, 06:58 PM // 18:58

Please use logic .
China has a law about pandas - so technically they have the power to ban games as they wish if they feel it goes against their beliefs/laws.Unless your racist you want your game to be available in all countries for sales and money making purposes.
China bans gw game and thats quite a few potential customers and cash gone

Say gw decided to have it where a primary quest involves say pigs being cooked and eaten by that player - now thats the jewish people and muslims removed from guildwars .
Pandas you always think of as being cute - polar bears/tigers you know are predators but have a slight cuteness when cubs. But to portray a panda as being a killing machine would offend a lot of people even tho its just a game.

Game companies have to view what can be alowed in all countries rather than get their games banned .
I also think they have to watch exactly what the game goes into - govt dont like games which can become a politcal issue. I do remember a playstation game that got banned in several countries - Thrill Kill .. but i also recall its 'engine' was used for a Wu Tang Clan game which played similar but without the violence ( thrill kill relied on violence and graffic wounds ).
The end of the day it boils down to image - you keep a gd image with a country and they allow the games but do something that can show them ( eg chinese looking factions chr killin a panda ) doing an act thats against their rules and you portray them as being that.

Evil Eye · Jun 08, 2009, 07:17 PM // 19:17

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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

Does this mean we'll never have charmable Mohammads?

Damn, I wanted one of those.

Banane-O-Man · Jun 08, 2009, 07:28 PM // 19:28

You can use the textmod to make your polar bear look like a panda.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guide...Panda_Bear_Pet

FlamingMetroid · Jun 08, 2009, 07:29 PM // 19:29

China got butthurt, it isn't smart to make your future overlords butthurt

Shadowhaze · Jun 08, 2009, 07:35 PM // 19:35

It's against the law to kill people too in most places isn't it? lol.
There is flawed logic somewhere there.

And in the end, it's all about money. That's all most companies care about...profit.

Enon · Jun 08, 2009, 08:19 PM // 20:19

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Originally Posted by Spiritz

Please use logic .
China has a law about pandas - so technically they have the power to ban games as they wish if they feel it goes against their beliefs/laws.

So last time I checked pretty much every country has a law against killing humans. What exactly is the difference between killing an animated panda and killing an animated human?

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Originally Posted by Spiritz

But to portray a panda as being a killing machine would offend a lot of people even tho its just a game.

I'm offended by the killing machine called White Tiger.

Oh by the way - I love killing Elonian players because they're dark skinned. Hate crime ftw. Can you see where I'm going with this? :-)

englitdaudelin · Jun 08, 2009, 08:46 PM // 20:46

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Originally Posted by Enon

So last time I checked pretty much every country has a law against killing humans. What exactly is the difference between killing an animated panda and killing an animated human?

I'm offended by the killing machine called White Tiger.

Oh by the way - I love killing Elonian players because they're dark skinned. Hate crime ftw. Can you see where I'm going with this? :-)

Time to remove Nightfall from the game!

Anyway, all the answers already explained it. While tigers and polar bears are endangered, they are not the "national symbol" of a potentially huge market for the game company.

It's fine to offend tree-huggers, just not fine to offend a massive section of the market.

MMSDome · Jun 08, 2009, 08:47 PM // 20:47

Charming and endangered species would just be flat out cruel!

Kerwyn Nasilan · Jun 08, 2009, 08:48 PM // 20:48

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Originally Posted by Evil Eye

Hippo was also taken out.

Hippo was because the in game model was bad, no endangeredness

lxl James lxl · Jun 08, 2009, 08:49 PM // 20:49

from wiki "in recent decades the Giant Panda has also served as an emblem for the country" problem solve =p it is like saying that...oo every1 China doing the dumb law cause they dun let Panda put in game because of endanger...well...what about this...why don't Anet put in "Bald Eagle" and kill it and cap it? o wait...bald eagle is represent U.S.A...so now I hope u see why the reason they have to right to not put in the Panda...Panda is like represent of China...so show some respect...

Miss Puddles · Jun 08, 2009, 09:06 PM // 21:06

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Originally Posted by Evil Eye

Hippo was also taken out.

This was because of graphical problems, not because hippos are endangered. Or a symbol of China

HawkofStorms · Jun 08, 2009, 09:21 PM // 21:21

Do you want A.net to be sued? It's a rather minor change that they implemented and it is better to do that then risk getting into trouble over. Preventative lawyering at its best.

Hyperventilate · Jun 08, 2009, 09:35 PM // 21:35

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Originally Posted by Enon

So last time I checked pretty much every country has a law against killing humans. What exactly is the difference between killing an animated panda and killing an animated human?

I'm offended by the killing machine called White Tiger.

Oh by the way - I love killing Elonian players because they're dark skinned. Hate crime ftw. Can you see where I'm going with this? :-)

Epic win. You pretty much summed up everything I was thinking in one neat little bow-tied package.

Lhim · Jun 08, 2009, 09:36 PM // 21:36

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Originally Posted by Shadowhaze

I find it pretty ridiculous. Interesting how killing animals in games is not ok, but killing people is. Stupidity.

Indeed, *cough* tibet *cough*.

But anyway, it was the right thing to do from Anet's side. Quite a large portion of the market might have been lost otherwise.

Chicken Ftw · Jun 08, 2009, 09:38 PM // 21:38

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Because China says so.

End of discussion, really. Nothing more needs to be said.

Dawn Angelheart · Jun 08, 2009, 09:46 PM // 21:46

Quoting Snow Bunny "Because China said so"

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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

End of discussion, really. Nothing more needs to be said.

Something else.

China's the only country to complain about animals. No1 else did. So nothing else was taken out. Simple as.

Sun Fired Blank · Jun 08, 2009, 11:00 PM // 23:00

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

The panda is another issue: We wanted to have a panda pet, particularly in Factions. However, we were looking towards the first level of testing in China at that time, and in China, you are not allowed to even depict the death of an endangered species, such as the panda, in a video game. This caused us to decide that we must remove the panda from the pet list, for it was not appropriate or offer it in other regions and not in Asia, or specifically in China. http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Talk:...d_Panda_Pet.3F

Answered. Closed.